Which is it?
May 20th, 2008 by John Feroce
Breakdown using a sport’s analogy: Why is Obama limping into the finals.
Fact: Hillary Clinton is kicking Barack Obama’s ass these final months of the campaign.
Reason #1: He’s playing his heart out and coming up short
Reason #2: He’s opting to lose the remaining games “that don’t count” because his first place standing won’t be impacted and he’s resting for the finals.
Which is it?
If it’s # 1 - The Democrats have huge problems come November because it will have clearly shown that they put up the weaker of the two candidates (super delegates didn’t do their job) -
Kentucky exit polls: “Two-thirds of Clinton’s supporters there said they would vote Republican or not vote at all rather than for Obama, according to the polls.”
If it’s # 2 - Take a minute and recall last year’s New York Giants. Many credit their Super Bowl Victory because they didn’t sit any starters and played their hearts out in the last regular season game. Is Obama doing that? One has to wonder.
If it’s the later, then what is the likely result in November as well?
John , not really sure if it is #1or #2 , but don’t trust those exit polls. When it come time to cut bait or fish , Democrats will steal your fish.
From CNN: ” Clinton’s other argument is that she’s won the states that matter and that she would stack up stronger against John McCain come November.
“The states I’ve won total 300 electoral votes. If we had the same rules as the Republicans, I would be the nominee right now. We have different rules, so what we’ve got to figure out is who can win 270 electoral votes. My opponent has won states totaling 217 electoral votes. Now we both have won some states that are going to be hard for us to win in the fall like Texas and Oklahoma. But I still have a cushion if you look at all the states that I have won and take out those that may not be in our column come the fall.
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“My opponent has 217 electoral votes from places like Alaska and Idaho and Utah and Kansas and Nebraska, and many of his votes and his delegates come from caucus states, which have a relatively low turnout,” Clinton told voters in Kentucky on Monday.”
Wow, like I said, super delegates are not doing their job and for that I say, Thank you!
What a foolish conclusion from a bunch of Clinton’s sore losers. When a majority selects a representation the rest must support and not jump ship. We you go the way you think than you Americans certainly are a load of ignorant asses. Its no wonders you need the immigrants to support your intellectual equilibriums. You bunch of ignoramus. The world around you have prospered by electing leaders of all kinds. Be it faith colour creed. You are still stuck on white and not black male and not female. Thats why your leaders since JFK have been a selection of idiots and less intelligent. And you wonder why the world is against you. You have something good coming out of Obama and you still looking for garbage. You Americans won’t know intelligence even if it bit you in the arse.
USA no more stands for United States Of America but with your thinking it should be renamed ‘UNITED STATES OF ARSEHOLES’.
“Clinton”
If we change the rules and do things like republicans… I’d be ahead right now… dang why ain’t I a republican? If we change the rules and allow those that break the rules to count… then I might actually not really be ahead of Obama…. but of course if we change the rules I might be able to prove that I am just more popular and hot than Obama.
If we change the rules… if we change the rules… if we break the rules…
OK.. Mrs. Clinton… time to shut up and go home.
“Democrats have huge problems come November”
If Hillary supporters choose to vote for McCain… then obviously… Hillary supporters will prove their own demographics… that they don’t vote their own interest. They’d rather be spoiled sports because their pet candidate didn’t make it and just wait for 2012.
This country can’t afford to wait till 2012 for a democratic candidate.
Get over it… vote Obama 08′.
“You Americans won’t know intelligence even if it bit you in the arse.”
And you have obviously figured it out in the UK? Go brush your teeth you f’king idiot.
“Thats why your leaders since JFK have been a selection of idiots and less intelligent. And you wonder why the world is against you.”
Oh my. The ‘world’ is against us. Well, the ‘third world’ sure doesn’t mind taking our welfare handouts. Maybe it’s time for that to stop, and the bastards can starve. After all, they’re just soooooo intelligent.
Hillary has now won 7 of the last 10. The last two by 30 plus point margins!
If this were the NCAA tournament, she’d be the team everyone agrees is playing best. She’d be the #1 seed in the tournament. Obama would end up a # 2 seed with the number of impressive losses he’s strung together at the end of the season.
“Super delegates” should be re-designated as “blind delegates”, because they’re missing the glaringly obvious - Hillary is the stronger candidate. There’s still time, but they are spineless.
The simple truth is that despite the desire of the media and the blog intelligentia to annoint Obama as the Golden Child, he has been unable to win his nomination. Sure, he has the lead, against what we have been told so frequently is a flawed candidate in Clinton; but if she is so poor in comparison to Obama, why hasn’t he closed this out?
Frankly, this is why the remaining superdelegates are holding back their votes like the Glengarry leads. Because to give them to Obama would be like throwing them away. They’re for closers. Put that coffee down!! Coffee’s for closers only.
To our friend from across the pond , ravgesavage (where do these people come up with these fake names to hide behind as they spew their hatred because they don’t have the guts to use their real names ?) please don’t label all Americans as racist or women haters , let us remember that this is going on within the party that claims to be working for everyone. It is Democrats that seem to have a problem here not Americans.
And while I usually try to refrain from getting into tit for tat on this site , let me just say , that if you are living in this country with your attitude , then why don’t you leave and take some of the illegal immigrants with you (assuming you are legal) . We are not a perfect country by any stretch of imagination, but we are the country with the most freedoms and opportunities for all of our citizens.
If we change the rules and do things like republicans… I’d be ahead right now… dang why ain’t I a republican?
Yeah, right. Like changing the rules in Florida in 2000? In New Jersey when Bob Torricelli had to bow out?
Clinton is merely attempting to do what the Dems have done for at least the last decade. Rules don’t mean anything if there’s a “good” excuse to change them. In 2000 it was “every vote must count.” So, Hillary is merely using that “excuse!” Seems perfectly consistent with the Dem. playbook.
There’s only one way the Dems lose the White House in 08. Run a damn liberal.
Hey Frank, it was the Republicans that allowed open borders for the last 7 years, not the Dems. Your President decided that cheap labor for big business was more important than the law or the so called war on terror.
“Yeah, right. Like changing the rules in Florida in 2000? In New Jersey when Bob Torricelli had to bow out?”
Hube, Don’t forget the fact they allowed a dead man (Carnahan) to remain on the ballot in for the U.S. Senate in Missouri and proceeded to vote for him! We should have been allowed to run Abraham Lincoln against him.
Talk about fraud.
Correct, John! Good point. Yet another reason to laugh at the Dems’ assertion that “rules are rules.”
The picture we saw of the crowd in Oregon was a concert! lol
http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2008/05/weve_been_bamboozled.asp
Well, you have to remember that John McCain would have had a chance in the Democrat primary until it got to 1 on 1. Senator McCain is not President Bush. He has always had cross appeal. In America, you are not locked into a party vote. If you think that the other guy is better when it comes to the vital security of the nation, then you vote for him even if he is the other party.
Most of the Clinton voters will come home to Senator Obama, but many will go for Senator McCain if he runs the right campaign. Why, because he shares the values of the working class. Swing voting Americans vote not for party but for competence, values, and leadership. Right now, to the Clinton voters, John McCain wins on all three. It is not that they are stupid.
As for the non-American who cares so much about our elections, I beg to differ that we haven’t had a great leader since JFK. Ronald Reagan was one of the three greatest leaders of the last half of the 20th century. JFK was a great talker. Reagan was both a communicator and an accomplisher. I think that each President has had pluses and minuses. Usually, what we try to do is fix the deficits with the next President. That is why Clinton had a problem. President Bush was seen as too polarizing so we may choose McCain and Obama. We want change.
David just said: “Why, because he [McCain] shares the values of the working class.”
You are kidding, aren’t you David? Like McCain flip-floping, now wishing to continue the Bush supply-side tax cuts favoring the wealthy. And then his gimmick of rolling back the federal gas tax for the summer. He didn’t even say how he was going to pay for it; at least Hillary said she would invoke a windfall profits tax on the oil companies to pay for it. Still, it was a gimmick, and the voters flushed it out as in the North Carolina primary.
To attract significant numbers of female Clinton supporters, McCain will have to distance himself from the abortion choice, which he won’t do now that he has decided to be against choice. Moreover, he will have to campaign to change the Bush endless, stay the course Iraq War policy. He will also have to reverse his position on the SCHIP program. In other words, he has to significantly distance himself from Bush. Let us see if he does this effectively. On these issues and others, I think Obama will demonstrate that he is ahead of McCain, on the right side of these issues as far as most women are concerned.
Regarding the blue collar workers in WV and IN and PA, I believe Obama will introduce himself to these folks in terms of their economic needs which have been badly burnt by the Bush GOP. He will invoke a populist message, just like Hillary has already done so effectively. Regarding the race issue. those who say they will never vote for a Black man, I think even some will change when they are presented with the Obama message. Don’t forget, Obama did not campaign in those two states, which I feel was a mistake, but is rectifiable when the economic issues are addressed by Obama. McCain is the heir to these Bush GOP misfortunes, as Obama should clearly illuminate and explain his own remedies.
As the campaign record indicates to date, Obama’s organization and vote getting had been grossly underestimated by Clinton et al. I expect Obama to be able to continue this trend into the general election campaign against McCain, and we have not yet seen who his vp is as well as the new members of his team. So far his selections and decisions have been quite astute, in contrast to McCain who has money problems and who has been disgorging the lobbyists on his staff (to his credit I might add). You would think McCain would have exerted better judgment to begin with.
Finally, note that Obama will not allow himself to be swift-boated like Kerry was. He has responded convincingly to all the Rev Wright shenanigans, and more recently to the Bush/McCain joint attack re appeasement. Look for his response effectiveness to continue. This Obama is a thinker, a communicator, an overall very clever and capable individual. The GOP won’t be able to either match him nor defeat him, and there will be plenty of down ballot wins for the Dems as well, in my view. Why do you think the supers continue to gradually trickle over to Obama?
anon, I could not agree more with you on the border issues , and it is one of the issues that I have disagreed with President Bush and many Republicans, but let us not forget that on this topic there is more than enough blame for both sides. Because while the Republicans may want cheap labor the Democrats are looking to receive more votes from organized labor. Immigration has got to be in the top five issues that need to be solved ASAP and we are hearing next to nothing on the topic from the campaigns on both sides , because of the reasons we both have stated.
And to Perry, you pay for tax cuts with spending cuts. And while I am not the worlds biggest Mc Cain fan, okay I’m not the worlds smallest Mc Cain fan , okay I’m not a fan at all, he has “SAID” he is in favor of cutting the pork and wasteful spending , that is how you offset tax cuts.
And David do not be mislead by poles, the number of Democrats that will cross over for a Republican , even one such as Sen.Mc Cain will not be in number , enough to be of any help. If the Senator is to win he should concentrate on his base which is still not soundly behind him. I still believe that he should propose and push hard some truly conservative issue while still in the Senate to show the conservatives just who’s team he is playing for, such as the border , or maybe some of those spending cuts or maybe a bill proposing to allow domestic oil drilling to solve some of our energy problems. Wouldn’t it be nice to be able to vote for someone for what they have done and not for the promise of what they will do? I say Senator Mc Cain, show me the money!!!
Frank, we agree on tax cuts being offset by spending cuts, which obviously Bush and his lock step GOP cohorts in Congress never understood nor practiced the last eight years. Add to that the off-budget Iraq War, and you have national financial disaster, as we average citizens are beginning to feel, finally, at the fuel pumps and in the grocery stores. It’s going to get worse before it gets better, in my view, a lesson on coping with austerity that we are all going to have to learn quickly, a lesson about which our grandfathers can teach us a thing or two (Note: I’m one of them!).
Tax cuts with spending cuts are good things, as long as the tax cuts are more fairly distributed and leaning toward supply side (the consumer), not leaning toward the wealthy, corporations as they have been during Bush-43, also as long as the spending cuts start to focus on such as unwarranted subsidies (oil, farm, ….) and the outrageously wasteful (and dangerous) DOD budget. We also need plans and actions to address the growing entitlements, especially SS and Medicare.
Reducing medical costs by vastly streamlining administrative costs associated with single payer insurance coverage for all should be a near term goal, in my view. In the longer term, single payer will save tons of money while providing basic health care for all citizens. This is not reinventing the wheel, only improving on aspects of the many models for universal health care that already exist in all other western nations except ours.
It’s a fact, Clinton is the stronger candidate.
http://www.quinnipiac.edu/x2882.xml?ReleaseID=1180
May 22, 2008 - McCain Leads Obama In Two Of Three Key Swing States, Quinnipiac University Swing State Poll Finds; Clinton Has Big Leads In Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania
Florida: Clinton tops McCain 48 - 41 percent; McCain leads Obama 45 - 41 percent;
Ohio: Clinton beats McCain 48 - 41 percent; McCain tops Obama 44 - 40 percent;
Pennsylvania: Clinton tops McCain 50 - 37 percent; Obama leads McCain 46 - 40 percent.
Frank, many rank and file Democrats aren’t that partisan and cross over; it happens all the time that is Romney won. That is how Reagan Won. W won because of traditional values black voters in Ohio and traditional values Hispanic voters in New Mexico and Florida. I am concerned that this obession with the border may cost us the country. Yes, we need to control the border, but we also need a comprehensive approach after the border is controlled.
Psst! Perry, come a little closer, closer, GEORGE W. BUSH IS NOT RUNNING FOR RE-ELECTION !!!!!!!!
I agree that the current administration has not done enough to cut spending , but neither has the congress , under control of either party.
As for the rise in our energy and food cost this is a direct result of our silly policy of enviroment first , people second . All that you need to do is trace the time line of ethanol mandates and other restrictions on the energy feild and any honest person will see the connection. We cannot afford to burn our food for fuel, this is likened to trying to heat your home by burning rib roast in a wood stove. These policies and mandates are a direct result of what many scientist beleive to be misleading interpretation of the fact on so called “man made” global warming , or as I like to call it “global correction of climate”, (please see my post on this topic) .
Now as for spending on the DOD my pacifist freind , the only dangerous spending is the spending you don’t spend. Let us remember that once freedom is achieived it must be defended constantly , for there will always be those who are jealous of it and will do all they can to wrest it from you , more often from within then from without. And while diplomacy should be our first instinct, we must always be prepared to fight .
And David the border issue is bigger than just people coming here to cut our grass, it is a national security issue as well , because not only the cheap labor is getting through , but also people who wish to see us dead or converted to Islam.
John Feroce: “It’s a fact, Clinton is the stronger candidate.”
John, I’m sure you are saavy enough to know that polling results at this time, before the Dems have united on one candidate, and long before November, these polling results are of questionable value. Therefore, why do you cite them?
Frank: I know well that you people don’t want to talk about your war record, your spending record, or your record on the economy, all legacies of the Bush GOP that McCain has inherited. My point: Your party’s record speaks for itself, and will be in the minds of the voters come November, despite McCain’s efforts to distance himself.
My pacifism does not disregard the need for self-defense, that is, homeland defense and war as a last resort when either attacked or where there is an imminent threat of attack. You must agree that Iraq did not meet those criteria, which is why I opposed it from day one, and which is why now I oppose an attack on Iran.
In my view, Iran is more justified to intervene in Iraq than we, because they correctly view our presence in neighboring Iraq as an imminent threat to them, taking into account both the saber rattling by Bush and the fact that Bush already invaded and still occupies Iraq. Recall our reaction to the Soviet Union’s attempt to move their missiles into Cuba in the early sixties, when we committed to a nuclear war over the issue.
Those who fail to learn the lessons of history are bound to fail all over again.
David: I agree with your statement about needing a comprehensive approach to our border problems, and immigration too.
“John, I’m sure you are saavy enough to know that polling results at this time, before the Dems have united on one candidate, and long before November, these polling results are of questionable value. Therefore, why do you cite them?”
Perry
I’m not sure if you clicked on the actual link, if you do you’ll see the poll is designed to see who the candidate’s supporters turn to if their candidate doesn’t win.
You agree that Obama will be the nominee, right? See below from the poll, as you can see, it’s very relevant, that’s why I cite it.
“In the McCain-Obama matchups, 26 to 36 percent of Clinton supporters in each state say that if Obama is the nominee they would switch to the Republican in November. Only 10 to 18 percent of Obama supporters say they would defect to McCain if Clinton is the nominee. “